that is something president clinton did, people don't realize until the crisis becomes threatened, but real. >> there is nothing he can do. i mean, it is going to happen. he is just making a suggestion, hey, guys, how about something smaller now if you can't get the big deal done. >> and sometimes that is what congress needs. i was just in washington over the weekend. you go in all the museums where you don't have to pay an entrance fee to get in. they're all subsidized by the taxpayer. one woman said you know, we're always the villain, but we're there doing the hard work they don't know we're doing. federal workers are always the bad guy. people don't understand the government is things like the post office or things we need. everybody wants to cut the government, but when you explain what it is, nobody wants to cut it. >> you know, i rely on air traffic controllers and we'll be relying them in the next segment. i'm going to find out if i'm going to actually fly in the next segment. joy reid, and ari melber, thank you for joining us. >>> coming up, on the sequester thing, the democrat